Wednesday, May 24, 2006

It's semi-official: Plastic is down for good

From the irc log (courtesy of DrCron):

    May 22 15:51:40 plastic is closing on july 1st.
    May 22 15:57:39 shutdown. for good
    May 22 16:16:16 * carl has quit (signoff)

Is it true? Who knows. Then there's also this earlier log:

    May 16 20:05:48   Difficult to post a status message
    when you don't know the status. Plastic was down;
    when you went to Plastic, it was down. Status provided.
    May 16 20:07:11 They actually would have changed it the
    other way, a couple centuries ago.
    May
    16 20:08:12 They weren't gonna have words spelled just
    the way any old person spelled them.
    May 16 20:08:19 carl I still believe you relied too
    heavily on people realizing that chat was still up.
    May 16 20:09:51 Always good when Plastic's members are aware
    of the entire Plastic family of fine network products.
    May 16 20:11:49 Remember how you wouldn't tell your little
    brother you were all going away for vacation? Hoping he'd
    leave after awhile and never come back?
    May 16 20:16:32 carl.
    May 16 20:17:45 "super."
    May 16 20:19:29 But yes, I should probably make the tag line
    "Plastic - Nobody ever promised 24/7. You're kidding, right?"
    May 16 20:21:57 The thing is with these expectations is that
    I need the slack, when everybody around me asks me why I'm
    even doing it. The more it needs to be justified, the more
    difficult it is to justify.
    May 16 20:25:09 I just have to create something automated when
    things aren't a problem, so T_Slothrop can have his status page.
    May 16 20:25:52 But Dean told me not to automate anything based
    on DNS. Bad, bad idea, he said.
    May 16 20:26:48 carl is most delightful when one has no
    expectations.
    May 16 20:28:22 Even if I make the "Please stand by" screens more
    standard, so I don't have to come up with something to say.
    May 16 20:31:12 That's the real problem. I don't want to say
    anything until I know what I'm saying. Because if I say the
    wrong thing, make a bad estimate, then I'm savaged. Pilloried.
    Crucified.
    May 16 20:32:57 Anyway, we had no machine from which to broadcast
    said status message, T_Slothrop. We just went from three to two.
    I have to find another sucker.
    May 16 20:33:17 Three to two locations, that is.
    May 16 20:35:22 All I got going for me nowadays is the guilt of
    others. The damn sell-outs.
    May 16 20:38:41 I might work something out. If I stay away from
    the meta discussion so I don't get upset.
    May 16 20:40:11 I won't feel the usual guilt, then.
    May 16 20:41:54 BTW, I suppose that's a good a place as any for
    mentioning I'm not done, and the site's gonna go down again.
    May 16 20:43:17 Good good.

What's so bad about just having a chat is that I'm just learning of these conversations now, as is, I'm sure, many others. It would have helped a lot to have things like these quoted in the meta thread.

I guess that's part of what this blog is for. If any of you have any more logs of interest, please post in the comment section.

89 Comments:

Anonymous delete me said...

I think that was a joke.

4:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know?

4:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, I don't know. At the moment, it's just an opinion I hold. I'll probably be more (or less) concerned if I understood Carl more. Link to the updated log is here, though I think a future update will unfortunately require a new URL.

4:19 PM

 
Blogger Anonymous Idiot said...

OK, I just want to clarify this: just like you, I have no idea whether or not Plastic is down for good. That's why I followed up the first quotation saying precisely that. The headline is just an attention grabber.

My personal belief is that it is certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely.

4:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sound you hear is Mayorboob blowing his brains out.

8:45 PM

 
Blogger Anonymous Idiot said...

I will let the comment from 8:45 remain just so everyone can see that the Plastic trolls are alive and well. In the future, however, I will remove all comments mentioning "Mayorboob" or being in the same vein.

1:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately it looks like the naysayers were right. The first we hear from carl in ages and all he does is spit his dummy out and whine because we don't love him enough.

A shame, because Plastic was a great community and will be missed.

Oh yeah, and fuck you, MFG and iarnuocon, you self-righteous pricks. Your comments make me slightly less sad that Plastic is dead.

2:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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3:51 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since I'm fairly certain that there isn't any nick reservation policy for Plastic's IRC network anyone could have logged in as "carl". That, combined with the fact that carl is more than a little bit mercurial makes me want to believe that the comment is not reliable.

7:05 AM

 
Anonymous thefadd said...

There's a good deal of plasticians on frappr, at least kind of keeping touch with each other. My musicXchange buddy and I (plasticpussy) are persevering despite the outages.

10:55 AM

 
Anonymous iarnuocon said...

Right back at you, anonymous. You have a nice day.

And, yes, anyone can change their nick to "carl" in chat. The "carl" who claimed Plastic would be removed on July first logged in through the web as an anonymous idiot before making that comment, so I wouldn't but a whole lot of stock in Plastic's demise, at the moment.

Here's hoping one of the patches carl makes is the removal of AI posting. It'd make discussions so much more civil.

12:18 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can block the anonymous idiot if you don't like it, you choad.

I MUST EXERCISE CONTROL OVER OTHERS!!!

1:24 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah but you still see all the responses to blocked posts -- yet another thing carl never fixed.

3:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah but you still see all the responses to blocked posts -- yet another thing carl never fixed.

Uh, that's good.

4:03 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah but you still see all the responses to blocked posts -- yet another thing carl never fixed.

So what? plastic may be dead and that's what you have to talk about.

----------

If Carl took down the site because his feelings were hurt, he's a big baby.

For all those who say "it's his site, no explanation needed." Ya, true it's his site, but his site would be NOTHING without the people who take time out of their lives to make it SOMETHING. plastic without it's users is just lines of script. It's like saying Americans don't deserve to ask questions about the people who run the government. But without the American people, the government would amount to jack shit.

For those of you who layed the guilt trip on hard: How many submissions were created on this topic? How large did the bitch fest grow? All of you who kept the group whine fest going, you are all big babies. It's not like Carl put a tap on your phone or spent your hard-earned donations on building cluster bombs. Grow up.

--------

6:18 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all those who say "it's his site, no explanation needed." Ya, true it's his site, but his site would be NOTHING without the people who take time out of their lives to make it SOMETHING.

And on the flipside, the site would be NOTHING without the time and money that someone not you puts into it. But of course, these are the internets and we're all entitled to the efforts of other people, right?

9:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, i have no idea who "carl" is or any of that. i just enjoy(ed) reading plastic.com a lot. the comments seemed to generally be of a higher caliber than those i read on other sites (eg., /., which i also enjoy). it was good fun to read a lively and well-written debate on a subject.

for whatever reason (cookies, javascript, proxies, whatever), i was never able to create an account or even post as AI more than once, but i still enjoyed "participating" as a reader. if this is down for good, i'm bummed. furthermore, if what i'm reading around here is at all accurate wrt what's been going on behind the scenes, etc., then i'm also a little peeved (ok, a lot). this doesn't sound at all like the plastic i, as an anonymous lurker, was seeing. in fact, it all sounds so immature and petulant. if the things hinted at here are the real reasons i'm no longer going to have one of my favorite wastes of time around, then it's fair to say that i'm more than peeved, i'm god-damned pissed off and definitely disappointed.

10:00 AM

 
Anonymous bokeh said...

carl (if it was really him) just changed the topic in #plastic to "site will be up by 7pm EST Saturday".

12:05 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kym: there's only one person i can think of whom he'd consult for some sort of server admin input. and that guy is a turbo-kickass engineering mind who's left quite an indelible imprint on that magical piece of architecture, the web server.
kym: carl fairly accurately has determined that most of the rest he can figure out sooner or later.
kym: to his satisfaction.
DJGilmore: kym, who are you and how is it that you speak for carl's internal states?
thefadd: mostly later :)
kaz: kym's old school
DJGilmore: heh, i am an arrogant newb, forgive me
SexuallyExhaustedChewbacca: I came in on the end of that, what is carl able to determine sooner or later?
thefadd: he was listening to her relationship advice a couple weeks ago
thefadd: Carl was.
kym: eh, between late '03 and the present, i've had occasion to cross paths with him. no big deal.
kym: i have DB & server admin experience.
SexuallyExhaustedChewbacca: carl's married right? trouble in paradise?
kym: he's married. yes.
thefadd: no, that wasn't the topic of discussion, though
kym: okay. what was it?
thefadd: I believe a carl set the topic to carl and then left
DJGilmore: that was a False Carl
kym: is it really that important what the topic is?
thefadd: yes, vitally
CaptainLiberal: carl co-wrote a web desing book. i didn't know that.
kaz changes the topic to: Nothing Important
Dilettante: I need to know in order to say something not on topic.
DJGilmore: it's said that in the end days of plastic, many false carls will come
kym: hasn't anyone more or less ascertained that if you see plastic UP, then it's up?
DJGilmore: no shit, kym?
SexuallyExhaustedChewbacca: remember the end of V for Vendetta? This is C for Carl
thefadd changes the topic to: Nothing Important (and vitally so)
AnonIdiot21 becomes jimmyhavok
thefadd: it's like when you walk into an elevator
thefadd: and you're carrying lots of books
kym: yeah, no shit. so why oh WHY is the whole topic thing so confusing and "uh oh! is that real?" about it?
thefadd: and the person already in the elevator says, "Lot of books, there."
thefadd: Jimmy Havok, yours is the waitiingforplastic blog, right?
kym: and... that's better than the insanity of repeatedly bringing up the stupid topic thing?
DJGilmore: why are you being so twitchy and defensive? that's messed up
jimmyhavok: And you say, "nice music, who's the DJ?"
jimmyhavok: Nope, can't claim credit there, I just thought it was worth sharing
thefadd: oh
CaptainLiberal: http://www.aether.com/wiredaromance/index.shtml
CaptainLiberal: anyone read that?
kym: because you kids are sort of joining in together in getting the hell on my nerves for not doing anything but stating the obvious.
DJGilmore: you kids?
kym: whatever.
kym: yeah, kids why not?
kym: do you mind? i'm older than you.
DJGilmore: condescending much?
thefadd: Kym, you just made me laugh out loud for the first time today. I hope you appreciate that happy
CaptainLiberal: kym: how exactly do you know how old anyone is?
DJGilmore: this really is just like the real Plastic
kym: um, when pissed off?
kym: oh no! someone's being condescending! and you know, kym is never like that! oh no!
jimmyhavok: Like, yeeeah
thefadd: I'm not sure whether to try difusing this or feeding it
kym: because this is worthless drivel.
kym: your uncertainty speaks to your uselessness.
DJGilmore: wow, you really have problems
[kym signs off]

4:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kym little hand puppet. me. and. my. little. hand. puppet.

kym safe, small, amusing little hand puppet.

ms_sue kym, are you a regular on Plastic

ms_sue Or should I say "were"

T_Slothrop ms_sue careful

ms_sue sorry, T.

T_Slothrop no, no

T_Slothrop kym gets testy

CaptainLiberal kym is tired.

T_Slothrop kym is reloading.

ms_sue I'm not big on pussyfooting.

CaptainLiberal too muc work. too much staring at the screen.

kym eh.

T_Slothrop we've tried the direct approach, sue.

kym i'm not a pussyfoot, really.

kym i've been asked to be an editor. and i said no.

kym i've made contributions. i'm not totally random and hanging on or whatever.

kym i don't know what i contributed. i dunno anymore.

kym i tried to do something. i thought. maybe.

T_Slothrop you were asked to edit

airbag not knowing is a kind of regularity.

CaptainLiberal i suspect you did a better job than you think.

kym recent and i said no. it would've been a stopgap thing. i didn't want carl to have to decide, anyway! even if others thought it was a reasonable idea.

kym i just. don't have the energy to invest myself in it.

T_Slothrop ok, this is nuts.

T_Slothrop who ARE you?

kym (she said, after so, so many hours spent in chat)

kym why are you upset?

airbag curiosity killed the cat

CaptainLiberal i'm just trying to figure out which Professor Huston. There's two.

ms_sue back to pussyfooting.

kym i'm a friend of carl's. you know, a friend.

T_Slothrop i'm just tired of this stupid...performance.

hilker is that like a friend of dorothy's?

kym Dr J D Huston, Shakespeare scholar, Rice U.

CaptainLiberal ah. three, then.

T_Slothrop carl's friends don't get asked to edit unless they are high-karma contributors.

kym wait wait. don't freak out.

kym and don't misinterpret.

kym the people who approached me do not think or know i'm carl's friend!

T_Slothrop i'm not.

kym this is the first time i've ever said anything to that effect anyway.

T_Slothrop I'm also logging this.

ms_sue But if you're not a Plastician, why would you be asked to be editor?

kym great, i'm happy for you.

kym because i'm a plastician.

ms_sue You just said that you weren't.

T_Slothrop you've said a dozen times that you weren't

kym i don't submit anything to the site. no. it's true.

kym this is a community. um. why do i need to explain this?

kym what the hell?

CaptainLiberal she's a plastician in spirit.

T_Slothrop there are spirits involved, no doubt.

derumi she is jojo

CaptainLiberal there are plenty of ploymers who never post.
i was one for the first year or more of plastic's existence.

CaptainLiberal derui you using logic, or do you have ip logs.

kym i went through a lot of unpleasant things in pursuit of contributing to site operations. at one point. but that's my business.

T_Slothrop ok

kym i didn't just, you know, type shit and think "oh i'm so clever!"

T_Slothrop we certainly never thought THAT, kym.

kym i can appreciate that i've talked in a way that makes you want to know where the heck i get all my "information" from. or whatever.

kym that's my fault, really.

derumi kym do you dance?

T_Slothrop what "information"?

ms_sue Cap'n, do look at my message to you.

derumi hehehe.

ms_sue hey, derumi.

kym you know. whenever i sound like i can figure out what's going on with carl. or guess and be really confident for no good reason.

kym it probably makes me feel cool sometimes, too.

kym but i'll allow myself that much.

kym because at one point in time i was really, really fucking miserable about ever knowing there was such a thing as plastic. something i understood to be valuable and worthwhile.


ms_sue Hope you've gotten over that, kym.


kym but all in all, you know. i like carl. and i like carl's work.

T_Slothrop I fell the Hand Of Carl

T_Slothrop feel, even

airbag "age defying protein shake" yum


erik i know i'll sleep better tonight now.

kym i want everyone's birthdates. now.

kym announce yourselves.

12:47 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That kym is a kook, isn't s/he? I ran into her/him asking carl about a device that reminds you that time is passing by buzzing every ten minutes. S/he was pretty brittle about what would fit her requirements (apparently carl had aready set her up with something, but s/he broke it) and carl was bouncing all over the Web looking for something suitable.

Then he signed off, and s/he did this long free-association thing that was completely manic.

It's ugly when people don't take their meds.

2:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For my money, I suggest that people just lay off of kym. She has some serious issues and seems to be a person on the verge of a major meltdown. If you really loathe reading her "stuff", then invoke the /snub kym.

3:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Topic is: It's been a few days and the pack is feeding on itself

set by Messages

bob: Hello AnonIdiot79, and welcome to chat.plastic.com!

bob: Your current screen name is 'AnonIdiot79', but you can change that by typing: /nick yournamehere

AnonIdiot79: HI

bytesex: HI

bob: Port1080!

AnonIdiot38 becomes kym

kym: Anybody here. I crave attention.

AnonIdiot79: the reak kym

AnonIdiot79: real

AnonIdiot79: Are you still here kym

AnonIdiot79: I will give you attention

kym: Yes. Amuse me.

AnonIdiot79 becomes Jojo

Jojo: shall I dance for you

kym: Yes. What do want to do?

Jojo: I have no idea

Jojo: what makes you tick

Jojo: it is fascinating though

kym: Martha Graham Martha Graham Bob Fosse Bob Fosse Madonna Madonna

Jojo: yes you like patterns I remember

kym: Yet I am doomed to be among the few who can discern them.

Jojo: Isadora Mikhail Geroge Balancahine Isadora Mikhail Geroge Balancahine

Jojo: maybe at your level

Jojo: but even kinders like patterns

kym: Mikhail doesn't fit. He's alive.

kym: but then, so is Madonna Madonna

Jojo: you wrote that before I could

AnonIdiot96 becomes tomboko

Jojo: Madonna Ciccone

kym: Because I detected the pattern before you did

kym: From Detroit

Jojo: yes! and you probably did

kym: I guess my tormentors have given it a rest.

Jojo: mine are just biding their time

Jojo: I thought you were among my tormentors

kym: No, never. You are my private dancer.

Jojo: just stop

Jojo: that silliness

kym: It isn't silliness if it's sincere

Jojo: did you have a bad day yesterday

kym: Worse than some. Better than others.

Jojo: that doesn't say much

kym changes the topic to: Behold, The Power Of Carl

Jojo: because that statement is universally true

Jojo: Unless you are the one who had the best day or the worst day

kym: There, now that that is done, my job here is complete for now. See you later.

Jojo: Bye

5:13 AM

 
Anonymous kym said...

i got spanked! well, i "deserved" it. i "asked for it". why not /snub or something, though?

("why /snub when you can do THIS instead? don't you think this inflicts a clearer message?" "oh yeah, that's true.") sheesh. MEAN!

well, wait. there IS the fact that yesterday afternoon i did manage to put my head up my ass. not sure what set me off, really. tired but not just that. well, not a good day. but nevermind. this is clearly why the site is flailing: it's my fault.

honestly, i didn't mean to inspire people to get that upset about anything... i mean, at that point in chat? in its highly weirded-out state? with nicks & AIs going in & out, changing names, being two or three people, few voices mapping to one whole person, talk of fake carl, or, um, mentioning whatever we think is carl isn't carl?
...it was noise. seemed like intentional noise to me in many cases. distresses me to have contributed. but i don't think pointing at me is enough to resolve much of anything.

ew... "you're soaking in it!"

what's with all the half-people and "ha! guess who i am!" unfunniness? it's hard to recognize any distinct voices anymore. fragments, sure. but what does anyone get from that?

so much for community. more like. a club or something. a clique.

that's too bad. but it's been coming on for awhile. same problems not addressed constructively? well. that sucks. i wonder why that problem is worth not solving, i.e. why it's worth the community erosion. ...zut alors!

5:52 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kym you keep coming back and people keep messing with you and you look for meanings and patterns and typos. and you screw people over and then whine about being screwed.

youre delusional and funny and sad. youre carl - not carl. youre his wife - not his wife. you want us to know there is a connection there - and then get mad if we inquire.

7:06 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cry me a fucking river, kym. You became irritating with your second appearance in chat. If I see you pop in again, I'll just do that /snub thing.

7:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand who "kym" is or why there is all of a sudden endless irc logs posted here about his/her incoherent ramblings in plastic chat, but it's profoundly uninteresting.

9:40 AM

 
Blogger delete me said...

I see the trolls like spoofing other people and messing with kym. That being said, posting his or her tirades (if that's even kym) doesn't really help us find out if and when the site's coming back up.

12:20 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it does give an interesting look into the psychosis that is the underpinnings of plastic

1:25 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True. On normal message boards, nobody knows who anybody else is (by which I mean that they hardly even keep track of each other's nicks) and nobody cares. People discuss whatever is the topic of discussion and that's that.

If this outage has taught me anything, it's that Plastic is fundamentally different in that regard. There's some weird shit going on here.

2:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On normal message boards, nobody knows who anybody else is (by which I mean that they hardly even keep track of each other's nicks) and nobody cares.

True. But on plastic apparently we (and by "we" I mean those other plasticians with no friends in flesh form, certainly not me) spend much of our time parsing syntax, typos, keyboarding patterns, grammar, and keeping a well documented log of all prior personal references, and then covertly analyze brain wave patterns to identify if jojo is carl is gar is kym. Because we don't care, we say.

Back to Star Wars, fellow mouthbreathers...

3:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But on plastic apparently we (and by "we" I mean those other plasticians with no friends in flesh form, certainly not me) spend much of our time parsing syntax, typos, keyboarding patterns, grammar, and keeping a well documented log of all prior personal references.

I've seen a few people trying to decode the AI using this method.

I've also noticed that one of our karma champs (you know, the woman who claims she doesn't like meta but posts in every damn meta thread) likes to drag out old comments by other users in an attempt to shame them, or imply that they are stupid.

3:33 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually wasn't talking about sue when I mentioned those keeping "well-documented logs." That made me laugh so hard. Reading "I'm keeping a log of this" sounded as hilarious as "As hall monitor, I am telling the principal on you."

Those I refer to will not likely see themselves anyway.

3:44 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the typist behind "I'm keeping a log...", I am so glad I was able to provide you with such entertainment. However, it is with deep regret that I inform you than I am not a Star Wars fan, I do have friends, a spouse, children, a "life", and - except when I am having a particularly nasty bout with pollen allergies - I am not a "mouthbreather".

I typed those hilarious words because the entity known as "kym" had made a tremendous number of of directly contradictory statements during the course of a particularly amazing piece of what had to be performance art that stretched over a two-day period. It was (vainly I'm sure) hoped that said statement might cause "kym" to pick one version of her story and stick to it.


--T. Slothrop on plastic.com

4:26 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I typed those hilarious words because the entity known as "kym" had made a tremendous number of of directly contradictory statements during the course of a particularly amazing piece of what had to be performance art.


It seems that even the Plastic Chat can be effectively trolled. First DrChron sets off this bullshit by spreading rumors (that a false carl spread) and now T. is getting all invested in another fake user.

4:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I've also noticed that one of our karma champs (you know, the woman who claims she doesn't like meta but posts in every damn meta thread) likes to drag out old comments by other users in an attempt to shame them, or imply that they are stupid.


I'm not one of her stalkers, but I sure as hell will not miss ms_sue.

5:39 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not one of ms_sue's fans, but I've always wondered what seems to get under peoples' skins about her? The way Plastic is laid out, it's pretty easy to see who posted what and you can like just skip over what she posted. Or you can block her, can't you?

6:11 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest rumor is that Plastic will be back on line around 10 PM Eastern on Saturday May 27th.

6:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not one of ms_sue's fans, but I've always wondered what seems to get under peoples' skins about her?


The problem that a few long-timers have is that sue will attack someone with a snide backhanded compliment, then protest innocence when she is called on it. She actually has the gall to insult people, then claim she is the victim when they reply. She has been particularly cruel to new users and people with poor grammar. Apparently she thinks that her status as a well-spoken senior member gives her license to bully people and to discourage them from posting.

Another issue that rubs a few users wrong is that sue is an admitted double-account user, and this applies to both threads and the Submissions comments. For some reason, she has escaped the scorn that the MAYOR got heaped on himself for this behavior.

Sue's writeups are well-done (if sometimes trivial and boring), but it is her bad-faith antics in the threads that have attracted the ire of the trolls.

6:22 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said. I never heard before that she had admitted to a second handle, but I sometimes wondered if 'Travis Bickle' was her.

8:23 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I typed those hilarious words (ed: "I'm keeping a log...",) because the entity known as "kym" had made a tremendous number of of directly contradictory statements during the course of a particularly amazing piece of what had to be performance art that stretched over a two-day period. It was (vainly I'm sure) hoped that said statement might cause "kym" to pick one version of her story and stick to it.

T - why the fuck do you care man? Go back to that life you claim you have.

9:10 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

T - why the fuck do you care man? Go back to that life you claim you have.

What concern is that of yours?

And I'm living my life. I didn't realize the choice was "plastic" or "having a life". Stupidly, I guess, I thought I could do both.

--T. Slothrop

9:16 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to join the pick on T-parade, but you asked for it, dude.

"it is with deep regret that I inform you than I am not a Star Wars fan, I do have friends, a spouse, children, a 'life',"

Why then are you on chat then five or six hours a night?

But I believe you, T. The fact that you have a family makes your obsession with random people on IRC just ... so much...sadder somehow.

(By the way, T, people on the internet NEVER lie. And those that are suspected of doing so by your scientifically perfected methods should be punished and harangued by you and all you choose to engage.)

I used to think you were ok. Now, you're just another troll.

9:36 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why then are you on chat then five or six hours a night?

But I believe you, T. The fact that you have a family makes your obsession with random people on IRC just ... so much...sadder somehow.


This my last post having anything to do with this, but damn you guys are just so... I dunno.

I have never been on chat for more than maybe an hour at a time. Sometimes I don't bother to log off. If that's what you are referring to, then there are several people who have been "on" chat 24/7 for months now.

And who said (other than you) I was "obssessed" with this kym? Hell she was outright entertaining at first. And I am certainly not the only person she has annoyed. Look at all those logs above. I didn't post them. I don't see anyone making snarky comments about Captain Liberal, DJGilmore, or any number of other people she had run-ins with.

But because I chose to respond after being called a "mouthbreather", now I'm a troll. Plastic logic: Perhaps now I'm beginning to understand.

--T. Slothrop

10:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

T, if someone's "mouthbreather" comment is the part that made you compelled to respond, you'll never get it.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

I had no idea personal attacks offend you so.

Seems to me, plenty of people are as annoyed with you as well.

10:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

karĀ·ma n.

The total effect of a person's past actions and conduct is regarded as determining the person's future blessings (in Hinduism and Buddhism)


T is the poster child of karma in action.

The love you make is the love you take, buddy.

11:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Well said. I never heard before that she had admitted to a second handle, but I sometimes wondered if 'Travis Bickle' was her."

Got a link? Wait, never mind.

I, too, did not know that she has *publically* admitted to such things.

11:43 PM

 
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11:43 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also. It's 2:40 am on Sunday. Do you know where your plastic is? Of course not, because carl is crazy.

11:44 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, too, did not know that she has *publically* admitted to such things

I'd give you a link if plastic were up.

I remember ms_sue coyly saying once that her husband is a plastic regular who is well known/well regarded -- some shit like that, and that sometimes for fun she posts as him and he as her. They trade accounts -- sometimes for amusement, sometimes for convenience. I'd have to look to be more accurate, but that would be pretty close.

Just search her comments -- it was in a meta once (yes -- the same metas she just abhors but so actively participates in.)

12:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, too, did not know that she has *publically* admitted to such things

I'd give you a link if plastic were up.

I remember ms_sue rather coyly said that her "husband" was a plastic regular who was well known/well regarded - some shit like that, and that sometimes for fun, sometimes for laughs, she would post as him and he as her. She did not think assuming identities was a big deal. I'd have to look to be more accurate, but that was the jist of it.

Just do a member search and look through her comments -- though she spews so many comments per week, it may not go back that far.

(As I recall, she made that comment in a meta -- yes, the same metas that she abhors but so actively participates in. I would say that's ironic, but she would say my comments "do not rise to the level of irony." I've seen her actually post that as a pompous response to some newbie who wasn't even addressing her. Pretentious ms_sue.)

12:11 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kym is Mary Magdalene: "Oh, I have special knowledge about carl". Just because he might have fucked her and told her she could be an editor one day doesn't mean she has any special knowledge.

12:35 AM

 
Anonymous Dilettante said...

Wow, it's like my parents are divorcing all over again.

1:13 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for chasing off the "psycho-or-not" g/fs who posted for our amusement and occasional information /misinformation, you pompous pricks. Reading kymisjojoiscarlisgar was more fun than reading your worthless drivel.

I'm looking at YOU, T -- and Cap'n and DJ -- "they did it TOO! Wahhh! Don't pick on just me! Sniff."

7:04 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I remember ms_sue rather coyly said that her "husband" was a plastic regular who was well known/well regarded - some shit like that, and that sometimes for fun, sometimes for laughs, she would post as him and he as her. She did not think assuming identities was a big deal. I'd have to look to be more accurate, but that was the jist of it.


That second username is RDC91308. RDC91308 hasn't posted a comment in ages but he pops up in the queue anytime someone flames ms_sue, or if she really doesn't like the sub and feels the need to get her point across twice.

9:16 AM

 
Anonymous tomc said...

Wow, it's like my parents are divorcing all over again

As I've said before, Plastic puts the funk in dysfunktional.

Every community has its co-dependent relationships, healthy or otherwise. Plastic is an exceptional community, but will always have it's freaks and its anti-freaks.

It wouldn't be Plastic otherwise.

10:09 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-- NOTE that "PB" entered as an AI and therefore is probably NOT really carl; just posting this for people's amusement in these dry times. --


jimmyhavok: lots o' new commentary on Waiting for Carl
jimmyhavok: Anyone see kym since her meltdown there?
snidleywhiplash: "Waiting for Carl" or "Waiting for Plastic"?
jimmyhavok: Carl is Plastic... "I have one word for you, son: Carl."
snidleywhiplash: Then no.
jimmyhavok: Anyone for a pool? How long until she needs the atttention?
snidleywhiplash: I'd love a pool. It's roasting outside.
jimmyhavok: What is it roasting?
jimmyhavok: Sundays are good for barbq
snidleywhiplash: I wish it was roasting a pork shoulder
AnonIdiot91 becomes mynamehere
bob: dr_jerkface!
jimmyhavok: Tell it to get on the job. That pork shoulder won't roast itself
AnonIdiot25: test
AnonIdiot25 becomes PB
jimmyhavok: you people are too quiet. I can't carry the conversation by myself. I'm not your trained monkey here.
PB: Just don't start flinging poo at everyone
snidleywhiplash: Clearly. Otherwise I wouldn't have to get up and refill my own glass
PB: Besides, what is there to talk about.
jimmyhavok: Wait, let me fling a little poo into it... "Oh, bother!"
PB: They should call this a meditation room instead of a chat room
bob: Smash_Hit_Tom!
jimmyhavok: We all have endless reserves of selfpity... get on it!
snidleywhiplash: What's with bob?
jimmyhavok: He's bob.
jimmyhavok: always been bob
PB: Not me. I come here to watch the test chimps jump and jerk as the scientist in charge of the research flips the switch on the wires
jimmyhavok: always will be
PB: For instance:
PB becomes carl
carl: Plastic will be up in five minutes
carl: Or
carl: I'm pulling the plug on Plastic forever
jimmyhavok: Carl! What's up with Plasitic???Help... I have to listen to my own thoughts without it!
carl: Because you hurt my feelings in that meta
jimmyhavok: Tell us when Plastic will be back!
carl: And because you dissed kym
jimmyhavok: I love kym
carl: kym is too good for you.
jimmyhavok: She's the only reason I come here
jimmyhavok: And I mean!"come"
carl: She's beneath me, but she's too good for the likes of you
jimmyhavok: I know that, that's why I love her
carl: Status seeker
carl: Social climber
snidleywhiplash: star fucker
jimmyhavok: All I need is a bipolar girlfrined, and I'll be The Man
mynamehere: kym is a 65 year old male truck driver with copious back hair
jimmyhavok: Everyone will want to be my friend then... not like now
carl: I am the only star here. Ergo, jimmy is a fucker of a starfucker
snidleywhiplash: good point
jimmyhavok: Oooh... I'm getting hot
carl: Or would like to be if she's give him a moment's notice.
jimmyhavok: I licked her spike heels yesterday
carl: She doesn't wear spike heels. The meds she's on affect her balance
bob: Smash_Hit_Tom!
jimmyhavok: Or maybe it was someone posing as kym, it's so hard to tell
carl: It was mrwarmth
jimmyhavok: she was sitting at the time, so it didn't matter. The straps held her up
bob: AI007!
carl: Who looks fetching in spike heels I msut say
jimmyhavok: AIoceaneleven
AI007: is this the true carl I see?
carl: No it is not.
AI007: oh well
jimmyhavok: Don't lie, carl. You fuck with people's heads too much
mynamehere: that's what the real carl would say
carl: I am also not either working on Plastic or pulling the plug or doing away with plastic for ever
carl: I have better things to do that be the code monkey for a bunch of slackers and neerdowells
jimmyhavok: Be a little more obtuse, I almost understood that
AI007: really
AI007: this is no carl
jimmyhavok: The carl you can see is not the real carl
jimmyhavok: If you meet carl on the road, flame him
carl: I am joining five bowling leagues this year and you can all go scratch.
AI007: thank you, jimmyhavok
carl becomes PB
jimmyhavok: Does my cat have carl nature?
jimmyhavok: fuckin a he does
PB: See, this is an example of why I come around.
jimmyhavok: Where your right hand is is none of our business
PB: All anyone has to do is change his or her nick to carl and everyone jumps through hoops.
jimmyhavok: I have to go be an adult now. Leave some droppings for me to read when I get back
AI007: it's a little dry at the oasis these days, PB
PB: "Oh carl, where have you been?"
snidleywhiplash: Enjoy
PB: "Oh carl, why have you forsaken us?"
PB: As for me, I have grown up things to do also. Au revoir.
snidleywhiplash: Fairly lame
jimmyhavok: That was really carl. I can tell
AI007: you felt carl moving through you or something?
snidleywhiplash: And we're back to the pork shoulder again
AI007: I guess you had to be here. And I wasn't.
snidleywhiplash: Yes, though I was here and I still regret typing it.

12:40 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear whoever --

Why did you post that last exchange? It only makes you look stupid.

That guy (PB -- whoever) made very it clear he was not carl. That fact that some of you are a little slow in gathering that is what makes that post funny.

Me - I'm waiting for the girls to come back. That was some fun dysfunctional stuff...

1:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did you post that last exchange? It only makes you look stupid.


Because it was funny?

2:03 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did you post that last exchange? It only makes you look stupid.

Because it was funny?


No -- it was unintentionally funny. The funny part is this analysis by the poster: "NOTE that "PB" entered as an AI and therefore is probably NOT really carl;"

Well, no shit. You so clev-a!

2:25 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The note was meant for excitable types who might have missed that fact. The word 'amusement' was also invoked, which you selectively did not choose to quote. the whole point is, with plastic down, we've at least got something to read and argue about. so have a nice day, chump!

3:17 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The word 'amusement' was also invoked, which you selectively did not choose to quote.

Oh sorry! Ah -- NOW I see. Your post is completely interesting now and not at all stupid. Thanks for giving me "something to read and argue about."

La-hay-ame-o.

Thanks also, bro, for telling me it was "probably not" carl. I'm hot-headed like that, not keen and sharp, like you.

3:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously your contributions give us all so much more to talk about.

The parent comment asks for logs to be posted. so, pbbbbbt, chump.

7:23 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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It's not dead, we're just waiting for Ash Poopem to return

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Here, here. Damn, I miss Plastic.

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digg...its the new plastic.

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