Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Last post?

Confession time: I suspect I'm unlike most other people who read this blog, because I didn't really care when Plastic went down. Plastic, for me, is nothing more than a way to waste time, and, like most such, in many ways I would actually prefer not to have it available. I have spent an inordinate amount of time posting there, but that's something I regret, not something that I'm proud of. I started this blog mainly because there was a great need for it (not everyone could spend all day, every day, in the chat) and nobody else was willing to do it. As you might remember from my initial post, I didn't even want to run it -- I invited everyone who was interested to post for it, but nobody ever replied.

Maybe someone is more willing to post here now that it seems that there actually is a solid readership (170 comments to the last post, that's actually more than most real Plastic write ups got), so I ask again: is someone interested in posting the occasional update here? I feel like a hypocrite running the current Plastic replacement when I'm probably one of those who is least interested in one. If nobody's interested, I'll just shut it down. If you want to take over, post a comment with some suggestion as to how I could verify that you're not a pathological troll and some email adress I could post the account info to.

Summary of the last thread, for those unwilling to read 170 comments:

Some people advocate Newsvine as a replacement for Plastic, others advocate Flexile. The vast majority seem to advocate either nothing or some collectively born replacment. Port1080 and thefadd have a chat up and running. Thefadd has also been setting something up called Plastiverse, including a wiki about Plastic. Shane has a test server for the new site and also a mailing list.

I think that sums up most of the important things said in there. Good luck with the replacement. During the last years I have gotten the feeling that Plastic was slowly dying anyway, so maybe this is even for the better. Just try to encourage newcomers rather than shut them out this time, mmkay? If there are karma caps at stories, 20+ link requirements for write ups, and neverending pathetic personal feuds at the new Plastic too, the community deserves to die. Speaking of pathetic personal feuds, as this may be my last post (it probably won't be, but it's possible), allow me a first and last comment in the spirit of Plastic as of late (that is, personal attacks): if you let thefadd be in charge of the new Plastic, you're all doomed.

154 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...


if you let thefadd be in charge of the new Plastic, you're all doomed.


Very brave anonymous idiot. Very brave. Even after the demise of Plastic, you can't own your criticism. All I know is that for whatever reason carl has let a crown jewel of the Internet die. thefadd couldn't possibly do any worse. So this kind of criticism is cheap nad undeserved. Put me somewhere between the Carl is Great Heaven's Gate crowd and Fuck Carl, he's an asshole contigent. In the grand scheme of things, it's just a website. Life goes on. I am very proud that I didn't participate in the last meta, anonymous or handle. Let Plastic die with some dignity.

- GreenPolicy

3:50 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did this last post precipitate the end of plastichat.netfirms.com as well?

Well, that sucks. Thanks for trying, thefadd and port1080.

4:05 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did this last post precipitate the end of plastichat.netfirms.com as well?

Well, that sucks. Thanks for trying, thefadd and port1080.

4:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chat is up and working fine. I'm there right now.

T. Slothrop

4:31 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you have to use chat.plastiverse.com, now - either java or irc.

T. S.

4:32 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not working for me, man.

Might be time to say bye.

4:42 PM

 
Anonymous phoney_anonymous_idiot said...

You people kill me. It's like the car site I occasionally go to. A few people dein themselves den mother and stifle all discussion with "read the FAQ" or "learn to search" or "asked and answered 1000 times before". Get a life. Fuck plastic, fuck the nettiquite nazis, and fuck carl.

GP, I took the doomed comment like it was a joke. I could be wrong.

4:57 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of GP's strongest traits is his consistency in indulging in irreverent and scathing wit. One of his weaknesses is being able to detect humor in others. Although, given his track record of anonymous sniping on Plastic, that post he just made had me spitting Coke all over my monitor.

5:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even after the demise of Plastic, you can't own your criticism.

Speaking about owning your criticism, how many multiple accounts did you have again, GP?

Let Plastic die with some dignity.

Faaar too late.

5:49 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Security error occurred while connecting to host 'null:6667'.

This could have happened because of the following reasons:

1) The administrator of this website did not configure this applet properly.
2) Your Java security settings are above the normal level
3) You are the administrator, and are trying to connect to a server which it is not allowed to. Did you *sign* the applet?

This error is most easily solved by reading the documentation, and understanding the configuration file.

5:54 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you let thefadd be in charge of the new Plastic, you're all doomed.

That may have been a joke, but it's still true.

6:23 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chat:

To use a regular irc client, use chat.plastiverse.com as the server.

To use the browser-based java interface, you must go to http://plastichat.netfirms.com/

Sorry for the earlier confusion. We really are making this up as we go along. Please bear with us.

T. Slothrop

6:41 PM

 
Anonymous profwhat said...

We're trying to form a new site. We are looking for volunteer coders, board members, business types, and donors (although no one is asking for money just yet). To learn how you can help, please read this message on the Planning Plastic mailing list.

6:59 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those haters in the various threads, why not wait to find out who is going to be in charge and what the environment is like? Say what you may about thefadd, he did pick up the pieces as soon as the lights went out in Plastic chat to try to get us back together. I think he deserves a good portion of credit and respect for that.

7:14 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Speaking about owning your criticism, how many multiple accounts did you have again, GP?


Eight, I think. Fessed up to all of them too, many times. What's your point Anon 5:49?


One of his weaknesses is being able to detect humor in others.


Yeah, that crack was a real knee-slapper Anon. 5:34. Pithy and droll. thefadd believes Plastic or the ethos of Plastic is worth saving. Kudos to him for trying. I wish I had the time and technical knowhow to contribute anything more than money or moral support. Carry on, continue to play with yourself on the sidelines and hurl insults while others are out there creating and doing the heavy lifting. You must be so proud.

- GreenPolicy

-GP

8:13 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since 2001, have any other sites emerged where you can post links to articles, and then comment on them?
-superdude

8:16 PM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

Here's the lowdown on chat.

The IRC server itself is on chat.plastiverse.com port 6667 You can connect to that server using an IRC client like mIRC or Xchat (GAIM and trillian also have IRC ability).

If you don't want to (or can't) install chat software, you can use a java client to connect to the server. Currently we have two clients running:

http://plastichat.netfirms.com/

and

http://chat.plastiverse.com

The java client hosted at netfirms is more stable and reliable than the one hosted on plastiverse, and thus is the one we recommend you use. If you can get the other one to work and wish to use it, however, feel free. If the java client at netfirms doesn't work properly for you, try hitting the "refresh" button on your browser, and make sure your firewall allows connections on port 6667. If after all that it still doesn't work, contact me at port1080 (at) gmail (dot) com and tell me the error it's giving you so I can look into it. Thanks for those that have been letting me know when things go wrong (and right). If I don't know there's a problem I can't fix it.

8:46 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say what you may about thefadd, he did pick up the pieces as soon as the lights went out in Plastic chat to try to get us back together. I think he deserves a good portion of credit and respect for that.

Substite "the Mayorbob stalker" or "blackgasmask" for "thefadd" in that sentence and read it again. Would you still think he deserves credit and respect, or would it freak you out that such a person was in charge of the rebuilding plans? Well, that's how some people think of thefadd. Time and time again he's proven himself to be just as psychotic, including sending threatening messages to members in private.

I agree that posts like this (mine) aren't very productive. However, when is the time to voice this kind of criticism? After the new Plastic has been built and is hosted on thefadd's server? It's either now or never, and I prefer the former.

2:14 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Confirmed: anyone who was around for the 8 days that "blackgasmask" was at Plastic, and anyone who read posts moderated at -1 is a high lord of the cabal. Your opinion of thefadd is cute, but its irrelevant because you took Plastic way too seriously. Columbus smells like burning tires and shit.

2:52 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Confirmed: anyone who was around for the 8 days that "blackgasmask" was at Plastic, and anyone who read posts moderated at -1 is a high lord of the cabal.

I hope you realize the irony in that you seem to know more about blackgasmask than I do. Besides, that statement doesn't make any sense. Anyone who has been a member for more than one year knows who blackgasmask is -- he posted in every thread, and frequently his posts were a topic of lengthy subdiscussions because of their unusually trollish nature. If being an active member for more than one year means you're a part of the cabal (God, I'm tired of that word!) then everyone who reads this blog is.

Your opinion of thefadd is cute, but its irrelevant because you took Plastic way too seriously

What are you talking about? You know absolutely nothing about me, or how seriously I took Plastic (whatever the hell that means). In my experience, people who accuse others of taking something "too seriously" usually do so either because they have no good reply.

4:21 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The plastiverse wiki is generating some good guidance I think, as well as shanes mailing list. Get over there and put in your 2cents, you might actually make a difference. Also, shane seems to be streaking ahead in the creation of an actual site with a lot of people offering to help. Those of you who fear a dictatorship of thefadd or anyone else, I think you're safe, but there is still a lot to be done. If you can't code, there is still something you could do.

So thanks, anonymous idiot, but perhaps this blog isn't needed any more. Plastic is dead, long live plastic!

-kiwiana

4:24 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Substite "the Mayorbob stalker" or "blackgasmask" for "thefadd" in that sentence and read it again. Would you still think he deserves credit and respect, or would it freak you out that such a person was in charge of the rebuilding plans? Well, that's how some people think of thefadd. Time and time again he's proven himself to be just as psychotic, including sending threatening messages to members in private.

I agree that posts like this (mine) aren't very productive. However, when is the time to voice this kind of criticism? After the new Plastic has been built and is hosted on thefadd's server? It's either now or never, and I prefer the former.


Ohio State sucks! Only retards and inbreds root for the red and silver. Columbus, Ohio is America's armpit.

4:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...all this snark...it's like PdotC never left!( Except where's Snarkism?)

6:49 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Wow...all this snark...it's like PdotC never left!( Except where's Snarkism?)


What's funny is the continued anonymous attacks. The stakes were pretty low when it happened on Plastic. Now that Plastic for all intents and purposes now longer exists and the stakes are nonexistent, people still can't own their criticism. It's weird that people think the continued sanctity and good reputations of their usernames still matter.

- GreenPolicy

6:54 AM

 
Anonymous tomc said...

It's weird that people think the continued sanctity and good reputations of their usernames still matter.

But it is indicative of the power of the community that has been created through plastic.

8:34 AM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

One more chat suggestion - if nothing else works for you (or you really hate the java color schemes), you can try http://www.chriscole.info/cgiirc/irc.cgi .This web client is not administered by anyone from plastiverse, but it runs CGI:IRC, which is the client carl used for plastic chat. You'll have to put in some information to make it work for you - put #plastic in the "Channel" box and chat.plastiverse.com in the "Server" box (and whatever nickname you use in the "Nickname" box) - but otherwise it should work pretty well.

8:55 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

port1080, is there something I'm not getting, or why can't people just use any random irc client? mIRC is user friendly enough for just about anyone with some brief instructions.

9:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there from the beginning and I don't remember any "blackgasmask" on Plastic. I suspect you're making it up!

If you're not, then help out the ignorant: what did this person actually do?

9:18 AM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

port1080, is there something I'm not getting, or why can't people just use any random irc client? mIRC is user friendly enough for just about anyone with some brief instructions.

9:00 AM


People are free to use any client they want - but a lot of people can't install software at work (or are not very computer literate) and therefore there is a pretty high demand for a web-based client. Anyone that wishes to use a software client can connect quite easily to chat.plastic.com port 6667 - it's not limited in any way. mIRC, Xchat, GAIM, trillian, etc all work fine in that regard.

9:32 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:18, blackgasmask was a troll who showed up pretty recently (sometime last year I think). He posted "In Soviet Russia" jokes in almost every thread for about a month or so. He called it quit rather fast, though (or was just modded down so many times that he couldn't post anymore, or something). Maybe you just happened to be on vacation those particular weeks or something.

10:46 AM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

I just saw that in my last comment I typed:

Anyone that wishes to use a software client can connect quite easily to chat.plastic.com port 6667

That should have been chat.plastiverse.com port 6667. Obviously, chat.plastic.com is still down.

12:50 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little birdie told me that the new site is on the verge of going live!

2:59 PM

 
Anonymous anykey said...

So on the Waiting homepage there is a "897" in the background image of the banner. Discuss.

3:31 PM

 
Blogger Logan said...

OK, I'll bite. I've signed up for planingplastic (sic). Let's try this, as many of the old Plastards will inhabit the new asylum, let the past be. Let the old conflicts go. Forget the Plastic flame wars and start fresh.

I'm willing to give thefadd the benefit of the doubt. For those who are tentative or downright hostile to the concept, what have you got to lose? Let's apply what we learned at Plastic. If it doesn't work, if it isn't fun, no harm no foul.

=-Logan

5:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Plastic lies dead
Where will I go? The world needs
Benign trolls like me


-Haiku Guy

6:20 PM

 
Blogger shane said...

The new site is live... still working on the look and feel, but feel free to start using it.

http://www.treesandthings.com/

6:58 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, thanks shane!

The look and feel (as of now) is a bit 90's with a dash of eye strain. I'm sure it'll get worked out :)

Thankfully some posters here focussed their disapointment into positive progression. Awesome. Out of the old always comes the new.

(Still: Carl? WTF? Nothing? You suck, dude.)

11:27 PM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

The final word on chat:

Shane (our new hero) has set up a web client on http://chat.treesandthings.com that uses the same client carl used for plastic chat. This client is the prefered method for web access. Those that use a regular IRC client should still point it to chat.plastiverse.com - the server itself hasn't moved, just the web chat location. The old java applets are still available as well, if anyone prefers them.

6:47 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is MayorBob. Anyone who has tried to log onto the new site will find that it is down. For all of you coming here, these are the facts of the situation:

The Scoop Beta at treesandthings is down due to traffic issues as of 13:30 EDT 16 June 2006. Shane is aware of the situation, is on top of it, and took it down to avoid more issues. New servers are on order and should be installed and the site back online in a few days. Please stand by. Everything is ok.

Shane has let it be known that this is going to start costing him money. There are two options to throw what you can his way: Paypal and snail mail.

You can send donations via paypal to shane@webqualityhost.net. Bear in mind that PayPal does take a 3% processing fee off the top of whatever you are contributing. You can send checks/money orders (international m.o. if outside Canada) to:

Shane Nelson
Box 261
Mansons Landing, BC, Canada, V0P1K0

Whatever you can manage will be greatly appreciated.

12:06 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New servers are on order and should be installed and the site back online in a few days. Please stand by. Everything is ok.

Why does this seem familiar?

There are two options to throw what you can his way: Paypal and snail mail.

Haven't I seen this business model somewhere else?

PS. I'm not blaming Shane -- he's doing a great job. I'm just sayin'...

2:32 PM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

Why does this seem familiar?

There are two options to throw what you can his way: Paypal and snail mail.

Haven't I seen this business model somewhere else?

PS. I'm not blaming Shane -- he's doing a great job. I'm just sayin'...


The difference is, this time we're going to have open accounting, keep people informed on what's going on, and so on. Also, once the non-profit board is set up, donations will be tax-deductable (although they are current not, so if you send money now don't claim it on your returns!).

2:41 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just pay-paled him 20 bucks. I'm not proud that I only gave that, but I felt compelled by the distinct goal and set funding requirement.

5:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So far $217 has been raised from 5 generous donors.

6:47 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the goal amount?

9:27 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight...it took Shane a couple of days to make what Carl has been working on for years? Seriously? Go Shane!

9:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AI 9:29-

No diss on shane but this stuff is easy, all it takes is the will to do it. As some of us tried to point out at the beginning of plastic's outage, the problem wasn't technical. The problem was carl. There's no technical problem that can bring a working site down for more than a day or two unless the admin is wildly incompetent or isn't interested in fixing it.

5:39 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me AI 5:39 --

If Carl says that there's a problem with custom kernels, then that's the problem. Are you an expert on this technical stuff? Yeah, I didn't think so. Even if Carl decided to pull the plug on Plastic instead of slaving away trying to fix problems beyond his control, he owes you nothing and you need to quit bellyaching. Plastic is/was free, so you have no right to complain about Carl's site. There's 365 days and 52 weeks in the year, and if Plastic were to come back tomorrow and be free of outages until New Year's, you'd still be getting 46 weeks of free access to a great site. Maybe you should be grateful for you get and that Carl doesn't charge access to his site instead of whining and complaining about technical server issues that are beyond carl's control and over your tiny little head.

All of Plastic's problems can be laid at the feet of the Tribe, i.e. GreenPolicy, thefadd and Acefantastik. I would not be surprised if Carl was fed up with the way they were dragging the site down and decided to pull the plug to put an end to their shenanigans. If you want to blame somebody for the demise of Plastic, I suggest it rests solely with them.

Plastic used to be a place where those of us who were there from the beginning were able to cultivate and grow the site in the direction that Carl preferred. Then those assclowns had to come along and screw everything up. I blame them, just as it should be.

5:56 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of Plastic's problems can be laid at the feet of the Tribe, i.e. GreenPolicy, thefadd and Acefantastik. I would not be surprised if Carl was fed up with the way they were dragging the site down and decided to pull the plug to put an end to their shenanigans. If you want to blame somebody for the demise of Plastic, I suggest it rests solely with them.

Yet, none of that terrible troika have their hands wrapped around the throat of Plastic! It is carl and carl alone who brought it down. And if he did it for the reason you suggest, he could have SAID SO -- TO SOMEONE -- AT SOME POINT.

It's carl's site, carl's problem, and carl's feet. Don't be stupid.

7:16 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 5:56 AM,

"All of Plastic's problems can be laid at the feet of the Tribe, i.e. GreenPolicy, thefadd and Acefantastik."

This is an example of a world class dumb comment. There was only one person with the power to take Plastic down or keep it up, in the end. That person was carl. I'm not going to play amateur psychoanalyst, probing carl's psyche or mental stability. The bottomline is he took it down and it's not coming back up any time soon.

It was always his call on what to do. As far as the effect or impact of any one user or group of users, that's just bogus carl protection. Over the four plus years he's run the site, Plastic has played host to any number of users and groups of users who have had varying degrees of goodness or badness about them. At any point along the way, carl could have decided to pull the plug, but he didn't. What he did he did for his own reasons and he's not sharing.

So stop with the finger pointing at "the Tribe" or "the cabal" or the mayor or ms_sue. The problem, if there is any, resides in an apartment in Oakland, California.

7:29 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Carl haters just don't get it do you? Carl owes you nothing okay? If you're so fed up with him, scrounge up $40K and then you can run Plastic any way you want.

This kind of ungrateful biting of the hand that fed you Plastic gives him the perfect justification to pull the plug without any explanation whatsoever.

I still firmly maintain that the bad actors, the guilty culprits of the Tribe, dragged the site down until Carl realized they had ruined his website. In his shoes, I would've done the same since Plastic was better off dead than alive with them. If he does choose to bring it back, the first order of business is to jump through some IP hoops to ban them for good.

11:20 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carl hating has nothing to do with it dickweed. Blaming people who bear no responsibility for carl's decision to pull the plug is what most of us bystanders are saying is stupid and tired at this point. Yeah, carl owed us nothing. But, it would have been nice had he shared a little, don't you think? I mean, to deal with things in that fashion is polite. The way it turned out, carl was rude.

1:23 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Carl haters just don't get it do you? Carl owes you nothing okay? If you're so fed up with him, scrounge up $40K and then you can run Plastic any way you want.

No, you don't get it. Even if Carl doesn't "owe" anybody anything, he could have acted like a reasonable adult. He dealt with this in the worst possible way. But even this point is irrelevant, because he did, in fact, owe us something. I take it you're a newcomer to Plastic. Do you have any idea how many times Carl has begged for money? Yeah, that's right, quite a fucking few. And every single time he got all he asked for and more. What was that money for? Right again -- to keep the site up and running.

There are some possible excuses for Carl. If he's in rehab, mentally ill or whatever, I won't blame him. If he just didn't care because he didn't "owe" us anything, he is a major asshole. Plain and simple.

This kind of ungrateful biting of the hand that fed you Plastic gives him the perfect justification to pull the plug without any explanation whatsoever.

See above. We fed Carl, not the other way round.

I still firmly maintain that the bad actors, the guilty culprits of the Tribe, dragged the site down until Carl realized they had ruined his website. In his shoes, I would've done the same since Plastic was better off dead than alive with them.

I'm not a big fan of thefadd or GP either, but this is just beyond stupid. It doesn't even warrant a response.

3:30 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Carl says that there's a problem with custom kernels, then that's the problem. Are you an expert on this technical stuff? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Yeah, actually I am. And the poster you replied to is right -- there's simply no way a competent admin couldn't have fixed it in a week, and more likely in days or even hours.

Maybe you should be grateful for you get and that Carl doesn't charge access to his site instead of whining and complaining about technical server issues that are beyond carl's control and over your tiny little head.

Just because you the the Internet = AOL and setting up a Scoop site is rocket science doesn't mean nobody else has any idea of how difficult things like these are. Anyone who thinks that "technical server issues" need some incredibly sophisticated magic spells is not only talking about things that are "over his tiny head" but, frankly, needs to get a fucking clue. Many of us have a good idea how problems of this kind are solved, and if you don't, then just STFU instead of make an utter fool out of yourself.

3:34 PM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

Just a heads up on those of us working treesandthings - we're not, for the most part, carl haters. We appreciate his work and wish him the best. We simply feel that, given the going on four weeks worth of downtime, something has to be done to keep the plastic community together. If plastic.com isn't coming back up, then alternatives must be explored. If carl does bring plastic back up, more power to him - there's no reason two discussion sites can't exist side by side. I know I'd happily post on both.

4:04 PM

 
Anonymous Port1080 said...

What's the goal amount?

9:27 PM


Well, at least $107 a month. Ideally we'd bank enough to pay for at least six months worth of hosting. If we get 20 donors to commit to send $6 a month, that would pretty much cover costs.

4:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Brent:

I realize that under your handle iarnoucon, you felt like "the Tribe" didn't give you the respect you want so badly to deserve. You also felt offended to the core by finding out the people at Plastic had dupe accounts, so you went and signed up Travis_Bickle and GringoPolicy. You started trolling, but you didn't get really noticed, so you had to focus your attacks on three people who you were spoiling your good time. Instead of acting your too-old-to party age, you decided to go on a crusade against those evil windmills of fart jokes. Kudos to you!

But now you've got a dilemna: It appears that the new boys are over at the new website, as well! Whatever will you do? Are you planning on watching them like hawks, ready to blow the whistle on any sign of non-Brent-approved behavior? Will you mention their name at every strange opportunity, just to remind everyone that you don't like them? Have you already sent pre-emptive messages to Shane to make sure that he's abreast of the troublemakers in his midst?

Whatever you decide to do, please make sure that you let the petty dealings of the internet control your emotions for years to come. Or if that gets boring, you can always stalk people who commit minor traffic infractions, and complain repeatedly that the DMV won't pull their license, since you seem to have a fetish for meting out justice to punish infractions that don't affect you in the least.


My signup date to Plastic was January 15, 2001. My karma at last check was over 1600, which isn't as much as your 2,000, but i've read enough of your tripe to glom onto your stupid little vendetta. You don't speak for all the old timers, so grow up and learn how to ignore the children.

6:40 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 9:40 PM,

This isn't Brent. This is the person operating the Travis_Bickle account. I haven't a clue about GringoPolicy and I haven't been operating Travis_Bickle as a troll on anyone. I tried to offer funny or helpful remarks and I tried my hand at writing a story here or there. I used to have an active Plastic account years ago, stayed away long enough to forget my password and registered as Travis. Oh, and I registered as Travis because "Taxi Driver" is my favorite movie of all time. Frankly, you couldn't be more off the mark if you tried.

Let's be real clear mmkay. I don't give a fuck about you and the tribe. I don't care what you guys do or what you think passes as enjoyment. I likewise don't give a fuck about iarnuocon, ms_sue, the mayor, NH4, or any of the other high karma gods of the late and lamented Plastic. Because Plastic is dead and won't be returning. I don't hold you or any other plastic account holder responsible for Plastic's death. So isn't it time to forget all that bullshit and just focus on the new site? Or move on if you feel you can't shake off the ghosts of Plastic.

7:15 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry. I still believe Travis Bickle is really ms_sue.

9:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Excuse me AI 5:39 --

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If Carl says that there's a problem with custom kernels, then that's the problem.

Really, still? So plastic's coming back any minute then?

Are you an expert on this technical stuff? Yeah, I didn't think so.

It's only what I do for a living, baby.

Even if Carl decided to pull the plug on Plastic instead of slaving away trying to fix problems beyond his control, he owes you nothing and you need to quit bellyaching.

Exactly what problems are beyond an admin's control- solar flares? If the problems were beyond carl's competence, there were scores of members who could easily have stepped in to help.

Plastic is/was free, so you have no right to complain about Carl's site.

Plasic was funded by donations from the community. Wonder what the balance was when carl shut it down?

Maybe you should be grateful for you get and that Carl doesn't charge access to his site instead of whining and complaining about technical server issues that are beyond carl's control and over your tiny little head.

LOL

All of Plastic's problems can be laid at the feet of the Tribe, i.e. GreenPolicy, thefadd and Acefantastik. I would not be surprised if Carl was fed up with the way they were dragging the site down and decided to pull the plug to put an end to their shenanigans. If you want to blame somebody for the demise of Plastic, I suggest it rests solely with them.

If your description of what happened was true then the blame would still rest solely with carl. Though the idea that anyone would respond to internet trolls by killing a site is pretty ludicrous. Had to burn down the village to save it? That's some seriously whack dissonance resolution.

Plastic used to be a place where those of us who were there from the beginning were able to cultivate and grow the site in the direction that Carl preferred. Then those assclowns had to come along and screw everything up. I blame them, just as it should be.

Nothing was screwed up with plastic. There were some megalomaniacal control freaks who thought they could control "cultivating and growing the site in the direction that carl preferred" and another set of self-righteous assholes who thought they could counteract their attempts through trolling them. I'm sure that little psychodrama seemed really important to the tiny group of people involved but it didn't mean a damn thing to anyone else.

The rest of us posted what we wanted, moderated what we wanted, read what we wanted, submitted what we wanted, filtered out what we wanted, and collectively created the Plastic experience. As it had always been. Neither carl nor anyone else had any control over the direction plastic evolved- that was the whole point of the site! Any problem plastic was having before carl went off the deep end was a problem with your expectations.

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Anonymous at 5:18AM,

Yes to everything you said. Any who are still paying attention to this thread please take note -- there is none of the infighting and bickering on the new site ... YET! Let's keep it that way. What happened on Plastic, stays on Plastic. The last thing the new site needs is the same petty personalities fighting over their share of so very little, in the end. That would be the killer for the new site.

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Dear Anonymous Idiot from 6:40pm.

I guess since I've been addressed directly, I'll bother to respond: the last time I posted to this blog was under the story "Down Again"-- like maybe three weeks ago. I note with some amusement the Ohio State hating going on, which I suppose was intended to draw me out, but (seriously) that's such a tired ploy, and there really isn't anything particularly new to say. The situation with Plastic is what it is. Hopefully Scoop (or treesandthings, or PostRecycled, or whatever the name finally settled on will be) can fill the void that carl has created by his mental breakdown (or WTF the problem is, over there in Claifornia).

GringoPolicy is a GreenPolicy account, and I suspect Travis Bickle belongs to thefadd. Really, it doesn't matter, since GP, thefadd and Acefantastik (as well as others who remain nameless) simply pass around logins and passwords for their mutual amusement. Seriously. If Plastic were up, I could point you to the meta-story in which they admit as much.

Do I think that makes them asshats? Sure. They use multiple accounts to game the system and troll people. They ARE asshats. And the level of divisiveness and childish name-calling that they engaged in brought the site down. (or should I say "you engaged in", because, really, aren't the three of you the predominant number of "anonymous" posts in these threads here on WaitingFor?)

I believe in calling things and people what they are, and GP, thefadd, and Ace are whining crybabies who, as you say, are evil windmills of fart jokes. Sad to say, most email accounts get spammed with fart jokes, daily. No one needs to go to a website to be regaled with more.

As for tilting at those windmills, why bother? I simply blocked those accounts, and any accounts that I suspected to belong to the evil Triumvirate of Tomfoolery. I don't worry overly much about being "really noticed." I've had enough articles accepted and entered enough conversations on Plastic not to be very concerned about karma. Were Plastic up today, anyone who wanted to make a concerted effort karma-stalk me into oblivion would likely have a several year project ahead of them, so... really... what's to worry about?

As far as the three of you already being at treesandthings, and the question about what I intend to "do" about it... the answer is "nothing." I could give a fuck. I agree with the poster who said that they would be worried about a site run by thefadd-- I don't think Colin has the maturity to ignore folks who get his goat. But whatever. My recommendation is that folks take a "Wait and see" attitude. If the new site is run well and fairly, then obviously there's not a problem, is there? And if it isn't, well that's not really a problem either, is it? There's other sites out there, and a new "Plastic" that has a "cabal" in charge, even if it's a different group in that "cabal", will suffer all the same problems-- it's just it'll be thefadd and company taking the hits, instead of the Mayor, miss_sue, stankow, et al. And frankly, that's a dynamic that pretty much everyone on Plastic was done with. You folks will see a rapid departure from the new site, should that happen.

And if you really are an old-timer who signed up in 2001, which I highly doubt, and actually DO have karma of over 1600, which makes me laugh-- since I think that would require a bit more rationality than your post indicates you're capable of, my only response would be that maybe you ought to take a long hard look in the mirror: you're using a BLOG to complain about my "vendetta" on a defunct website, and saying you think I spend too much time on the "petty dealings of the internet"? For fuck's sake. If that's not a classic case of projection, I don't know what is.

If you want to see why Plastic was in the decline toward the end, you could do worse than look in a mirror. But you already knew that.

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iarnuocon,

You might want to check out the post about three or four posts before yours. I (Travis Bickle) can assure you that I am not operated by thefadd. Frankly, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Perhaps you pulled that rabbit out of the same hat the person did who speculated that ms_sue_collins operated my account. I don't know and hopefully all this second guessing and second-rate detective work will come to an end on the new site.

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Anonymous port1080 said...

Just a side note on the new site - it isn't going to be run by anyone in particular. If Plastic was "carl's site", this will be "our site." Myself, thefadd, housewife2000, profwhat, and T. Slothrop are on the "board selection" committee - we are doing the preliminary work to help get funding for shane and to get the site up and running. Once things are going and the paperwork is in order, we will pass off to an independent non-profit board made up of people who are not on the board selection committee.

In other words, we will not have anything to do with running the site. The new board members will be in charge of selecting editors, but will not themselves have anything to do with the day-to-day operation of the site. They will simply maintain the paperwork so we can be registered as a non-profit, and maintain executive oversight over the editors. The details haven't been completely hammered out yet, but once they are we will be posting everything to the web for public view. Indeed, we want to move fairly slowly so that the new site is up and going and as many people as possible are made aware of it before we pick the board. More details can be found on the mailing list log, for anyone who is interested.

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Well, thanks 1:27. But I think you missed my larger point, which was "why bother with a 'vendetta' if you can block them?" Those three own a pool of logins that they pass around for general asshattery, and as a result, when I identified a login that they used for such, I simply blocked them. In general, I think the whole "second login for the purpose of being a cockmuffin" is and should be frowned upon. It's divisive, promotes flamefests, and is generally stupid.

To the extent that the new site doesn't have these problems, a lot of plasticians will likely migrate. To the extent that it develops these programs in the near-term, it will likely lose or prevent a lot of plasticians.

Most of the anonymous posts on this blog don't look promising for the curtailment of such bullshit on the new site, but (as I said) we can only wait and see. And that's pretty much all I have to say about any of this for the foreseeable future.

Maybe I'll check back on this blog in a week or two, if anything new develops...

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Anonymous iarnuocon said...

One quick followup AI 1:27 --

I have it on good authority that the douchebaggery perpetuated by that unholy trinity is what caused carl to finally pull the plug on the detritus of his site after they were done dragging it down. For those AIs, no doubt the "Tribe" blaming others for their actions, claiming that carl bears the blame alone for what happened, that is not the story that was given to me by insiders in a position to know.

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Jesus, you're an ass. So apparently you discovered that since this blog doesn't authenticate IDs, you can pose as me? Golf clap.

What gives you away is that I've never used the word "douchebaggery" in my life (nor "the Tribe", nor "insiders in a position to know").

For what it's worth, nobody knows why carl pulled the plug (or even if the plug has permanently been pulled).

You've got enough fake identities. Quit trying to expropriate mine.

fucktard.

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You're right. I just don't care. Just because you don't have a sense of humor about it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't get that all my anonymous posts to this blog are fucking hilarious.

Trolling is fun. I did it on Plastic, and I'll do it on treesandthings-- anything else just wouldn't be me.

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Well, THAT just rendered the whole thread useless. Thanks, folks.

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GP,

It would help a whole lot if you grew up. I mean really, you're going to continue your trolling habits? Just great, and what a way to get the new site off the ground.

But if you insist on remaining in your infantile state of immaturity then you probably ought to be prepared to be totally ignored.

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